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Post by wantingmore on Jan 19, 2017 18:58:13 GMT 10
May have changed, but my understanding as of the end of the school year last year was that the APS had voted to not be associated with School Sport Victoria, but not sure about AGSV or other Independent School Sport Associations. This being the case, no student from an APS school will be eligible to trial and play in the U16 Team Vic Hockey team in 2017. Will obviously leave quite a gap in continued development of those students that are deemed ineligible. Dont know exact numbers, but APS students tend to make up quite a number of the SSV teams. Will leave quite a significant gap across a number of sports I'm guessing... Not sure if the situation has changed and am happy to be corrected. Have spoken to Lachie Anderson and am pretty sure HV are already planning on putting things in place to bridge this gap. So it appears correct now only one vic 18s boys and girls teams so only 18 slots covering 2 or 3 age groups available in upcoming trials. Seems a big backward step. Assume with squads, AIO rankings etc most of those spots taken so what is point of the trial? Large number of kids at APS schools now excluded from Vic 16 school boys SSA team so massive gap. Word at my school massive money grab by VSSA and APS said no, so good on them. Why have HV not told people nominating to trial for 18s no white team and what is the plan or have I missed something? Smitty give Ando a call and get something up on website so we know? |
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Post by Mum on Jan 19, 2017 21:13:34 GMT 10
May have changed, but my understanding as of the end of the school year last year was that the APS had voted to not be associated with School Sport Victoria, but not sure about AGSV or other Independent School Sport Associations. This being the case, no student from an APS school will be eligible to trial and play in the U16 Team Vic Hockey team in 2017. Will obviously leave quite a gap in continued development of those students that are deemed ineligible. Dont know exact numbers, but APS students tend to make up quite a number of the SSV teams. Will leave quite a significant gap across a number of sports I'm guessing... Not sure if the situation has changed and am happy to be corrected. Have spoken to Lachie Anderson and am pretty sure HV are already planning on putting things in place to bridge this gap. So it appears correct now only one vic 18s boys and girls teams so only 18 slots covering 2 or 3 age groups available in upcoming trials. Seems a big backward step. Assume with squads, AIO rankings etc most of those spots taken so what is point of the trial? Large number of kids at APS schools now excluded from Vic 16 school boys SSA team so massive gap. Word at my school massive money grab by VSSA and APS said no, so good on them. Why have HV not told people nominating to trial for 18s no white team and what is the plan or have I missed something? Smitty give Ando a call and get something up on website so we know? If they told people there was only one team, many would not have nominated and that means less money in the bank. Decide for yourself if you think that is a correct way to run things. |
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Post by Guest on Jan 25, 2017 20:06:07 GMT 10
15 trial list is out. Any surprises?
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Post by One team on Jan 26, 2017 8:07:18 GMT 10
One team only is a better format , tournament will be shorter , less time away from school . The white team has not performed well in any year . Better for there to be a true development program run throughout year than select a team that is not competitive and struggles . Tried something new for a few years , it didnt work . Simply
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Post by question on Jan 29, 2017 13:01:20 GMT 10
15 trial list is out. Any surprises? 15s Trial one today and two questions Why were there 10 Gks trialing in both Boys and girls? Limit on field players, why not GK? Did extra players turn up to Boys not on lists? |
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Post by guest on Jan 29, 2017 13:33:05 GMT 10
Why have guidelines (6 Gk's) and then invite 10?
Some GKs invited to trial didn't turn up, others not on the list did turn up. Very interesting.
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Post by u18s on Jan 31, 2017 14:49:20 GMT 10
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Post by Another guest on Jan 31, 2017 16:52:39 GMT 10
Correct so limited opportunity with 16s not available if you are in APS school and now limited spots with one U18 team, leading to 21s so the pyramid of development is now greatly narrowed past U15 Smithy time to ring Ando and get out HVs plan moving forward to settle parents nerves. Seems u18 girls coach pulled out, who was coaching the team? In fact who are coaching six u15 and 18 teams? |
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Post by Guest on Jan 31, 2017 17:21:41 GMT 10
We had one u18 team forever. Much like one u21 team and one AHL team.
u16s has been regularly ignored by players who go on to play u18's, 21s and AHL.
Having the acadamies and elite training days is far more development opportunity than existed previously.
Lets not jump down HV's throat over this. They cant control the APS nor should we demand they fill a development hole for those kids.
Even without the 2nd u18 teams there is still more development opportunities for kids than we have had previously.
At the risk of being shouted down; maybe the complaints are from kids/parents who wont get a pair of Vic socks from the 16s or 18s second team.
Neither are core teams. The 18 second teams devalued the national championships, great development tool for Vic and NSW but that is all.
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Post by Complaints on Feb 1, 2017 7:08:45 GMT 10
So what if NSW are sending 2 teams? If HV decide to send 1 that is their choice to make. Too many parents complaining constantly because their precious children can't handle not making a team (or is it the parent). It's always some selectors fault, trials were run poorly, I mean even a complaint about more GKs coming than was stated. If your child is talented enough to be in a state team they will be if not they can keep working hard, plenty of examples of kids who made no junior state teams until U18s or 21s. Some never make it depending on the talent coming through and still go on to be extremely good premier league players.
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Post by Kingslayer on Feb 1, 2017 9:15:24 GMT 10
Agree 100% that there are many people simply complaining for the sake of it. Your last line, however, pretty much sums up the argument used by many people against HV's HP unit and approach to junior development in general. Yes different players develop and different rates, however for kids to go on to become "extremely good premier league players" despite not being part of HV's HP program in terms of State representation in juniors, is an inditement on the selection and identification process of these teams. The same can be said for the number of players first appearing in U21s who were overlooked at younger years, some might say because of their (lack of) surname or because of the club that they (didn't) come from. So what if NSW are sending 2 teams? If HV decide to send 1 that is their choice to make. Too many parents complaining constantly because their precious children can't handle not making a team (or is it the parent). It's always some selectors fault, trials were run poorly, I mean even a complaint about more GKs coming than was stated. If your child is talented enough to be in a state team they will be if not they can keep working hard, plenty of examples of kids who made no junior state teams until U18s or 21s. Some never make it depending on the talent coming through and still go on to be extremely good premier league players. |
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Post by Complaints on Feb 1, 2017 11:44:36 GMT 10
I agree in some cases this may be it but a majority of the time it is development wise. Boys develop late, a lot of the time players don't start to reach potential until 18; at the same time you will see some kids who developed early start to drop off. The same principle can be applied for the academies and HP, if the evident talent is there when witnessed by a selector you will be selected no matter what club or name you have. There is 2 key principles that if followed will ensure selection in any HP/Academy/State team.
-OFF THE BALL WORK RATE for example you may be a forward that scores a couple goals at a trial, if however you are caught standing still off the ball and ball watching it's going to severely impact on your chances.
-DISPOSAL EFFICIENCY/MAKING STUFF HAPPEN you could be a ball magnet all day but if you continually lose the ball or don't create chances this doesn't matter.
At the end of the day if the players talent is there it will be nurtured by any clubs senior system they are at, if they perform at any trial they attend they would never be left out on purpose.
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Post by seriously ? on Feb 1, 2017 15:52:21 GMT 10
I agree in some cases this may be it but a majority of the time it is development wise. Boys develop late, a lot of the time players don't start to reach potential until 18; at the same time you will see some kids who developed early start to drop off. The same principle can be applied for the academies and HP, if the evident talent is there when witnessed by a selector you will be selected no matter what club or name you have. There is 2 key principles that if followed will ensure selection in any HP/Academy/State team. - OFF THE BALL WORK RATE for example you may be a forward that scores a couple goals at a trial, if however you are caught standing still off the ball and ball watching it's going to severely impact on your chances. -DISPOSAL EFFICIENCY/MAKING STUFF HAPPEN you could be a ball magnet all day but if you continually lose the ball or don't create chances this doesn't matter. At the end of the day if the players talent is there it will be nurtured by any clubs senior system they are at, if they perform at any trial they attend they would never be left out on purpose. What ever drugs you are taking can you please share them . |
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Post by tassie on Feb 1, 2017 18:34:02 GMT 10
U18 trial list is up....
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Post by Guest on Feb 1, 2017 19:28:50 GMT 10
Easier to teach a kid who knows how to get the ball to make better decisions than to teach someone how to get the ball. Running off the ball in a trial might get you through the first round but not in the final team. |
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Post by Select on Feb 2, 2017 10:53:20 GMT 10
As someone who has helped select several state teams, everything matters. And at the end of the day you can be a good player but not be in the top 16/18 and not make it.
The people at the trial change who is in the team as well as what the coach wants. If the coach had 5 forwards already picked and you are the 6th then badluck. If you want to be good enough then word hard and come back the next year for another chance.
On a side not, how many "kids" complain about not making 21s? Zero because they are well aware of their place after the trials are complete.
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Post by Parents ego on Feb 2, 2017 13:59:10 GMT 10
Some parents just need to take the goggles off and stop thinking their child is the next Jamie Dwyer, if they're good enough they will get selected if they aren't they wont.
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Post by guest on Feb 4, 2017 14:55:14 GMT 10
Just wondering does anyone know if SSV are actually having u16 teams was looking on the website and can only find info on u12 it also says applications for officials is closed for u12 but no mention of u16  |
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Post by guest on Feb 4, 2017 15:01:29 GMT 10
Looks like SSV have a new website. www.ssv.vic.edu.au/team-vic/pages/hockey.aspxtalks about U16. Given the Aus championships are not until Dec surely there is no hurry in selecting the team. Selecting the u12 team is April is ridiculous. Kids that age can change so much in 6 months. |
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Post by Guest on Feb 4, 2017 15:07:12 GMT 10
Thanks didn't realise they were not till December that would explain why there's no info and yes it's crazy holding trials in April for u12 if they don't play till Dec so much development in that age group would happen through the hockey season shame to pick so early
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