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Post by Guest101 on Jul 10, 2015 4:34:48 GMT 10
The selection of another overseas player again as the second keeper for Vipers needs to be questioned. Where is the development of local talent. The Dutch player last year, Canadian this year. Where is the local succession plan?
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Post by Guest on Jul 10, 2015 10:04:37 GMT 10
The selection of another overseas player again as the second keeper for Vipers needs to be questioned. Where is the development of local talent. The Dutch player last year, Canadian this year. Where is the local succession plan? If they're the better keeper, have paid their rego etc with HV and assuming the vipers are playing to win then the succession plan will have to wait one more year. I'm sure there's a plan but they just mightn't be the best option for right now. State teams are picked to develop players but they're also playing to win.
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Post by Guest on Jul 10, 2015 13:21:51 GMT 10
It's clear from this thread that the overhaul of state selection process is required ( not just juniors). Whether there is real or perceived bias needs to be addressed. The lack of clear policy and guidelines is a failure of the administration. The failure of the hockey community to voice these concerns more loudly is a failure on all our part. The same clubs and names keep appearing again and again, its time to stand up and take some action HV. Why do you say there is a lack of clear policies and guidelines, If you take the time to inquire at HV you will find there is significant documentation on selection criteria, and selection process, as well as many dozens of independent selectors who would be happy to tell you how involved the whole selection process is. The same names continually appear because those individuals continue to perform at the required level. High performance state level hockey is not a system where everyone gets to have a go. If you are one of the best players and keep performing at the required level then your name will continue to show up on the state team lists. The same goes for your comment that the same club names appear. State team selections is an individual process not a club process. If an individual player continually gets named in a state team then by default their club name will continue to appear as well.
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Post by MrFair on Jul 10, 2015 20:23:29 GMT 10
You have missed the context of the previous discussion threads.
It is a clear conflict of interest that - Parents are able to be selectors for teams that their children are trialling for. Selectors pick themselves in teams they are trialling for!!! yes believe it or not that happens.
Where are the policies available publicly on that ?
When I mean the same names and clubs keep being mentioned, go through the thread and you can see which clubs are clearly being perceived as gaming the system. What policies are in place to ensure individual clubs don't unduly influence section processes.
You clearly don't think there is a problem but this thread has highlighted that their is perceived unfairness that is not being addressed.
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Post by James on Jul 10, 2015 22:47:14 GMT 10
There's a clear problem with bias of selectors and club influence, time for personal change. No one wants to hear about Josh anymore.
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Post by Gues on Jul 21, 2015 17:44:53 GMT 10
So has everyone run out of unsubstantiated complaints or have people gone quiet because of the recent success at both the men's and women's 21s?
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Post by Guest on Jul 22, 2015 11:46:05 GMT 10
Some interstate players away on higher duties. NSW no Blake Govers. Same situation, last time VICs won U21s at home, WA had players away on higher duties. Still a win is a win.
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Post by Smiley on Jul 23, 2015 23:26:04 GMT 10
There's a clear problem with bias of selectors and club influence, time for personal change. No one wants to hear about Josh anymore. Josh who?
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Post by outsider on Jul 26, 2015 13:53:49 GMT 10
It's pretty interesting reading these comments. Undoubtedly there is a level of nepotism with hockey in this state and that goes without saying. There are a few that like to keep the gaps between their own and new talent coming through. As for the fitness testing, yes it will be a prickly point for those who atain average scores compared to others. A fit person will chase harder and faster, and run and take the ball away faster than say a fatty. The game of hockey is more than twice the speed it was 20 odd years ago. Give me a squad of athletes with good hand eye coordination to work with anyday. NSW has the right idea. It's good this is catching on here, perhaps against those with their own vested agendas for their own kids.
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Post by Academy on Aug 10, 2015 20:39:13 GMT 10
Whats the feeling about the HV academy , invitations went out today
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Post by draw on Aug 14, 2015 10:52:04 GMT 10
the state of PL and the draw. HV sent out the survey asking players what they prefer. I am interested in what the majority think? HV also forgot to define the 22 round option would have no double headers
do people agree for 12 teams the comp has to be 22 rounds? people say the comp is even but it is far from even. it is close because it isn't even.
The 18 round comp has so many problems - inequal draw, long stretches away from home, more teams than others with home games (hawthorn), men and women split compromises club days and club revenue. can't we just play 22 matches with no breaks except queens birthday and start 2 weeks earlier? maybe 1 midweek match. would anyone start preseason earlier? I believe no, and so the overall demands and number of training sessions and matches doesn't change. if the majority agree, it has to change for 2016 and clubs should pressure HV now
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Post by more of the same on Aug 14, 2015 12:58:42 GMT 10
Whats the feeling about the HV academy , invitations went out today the concept is good from what i have seen but really, looking at this years selections of state teams the same old issue remains. nepotism. I am sure that the selectors are scratching their heads of who made what team and why. until they remove the parents coaching and selecting their favorites, the academy and its aims will undermine the participants. wake up.
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Post by More info Pls on Aug 14, 2015 16:46:01 GMT 10
Whats the feeling about the HV academy , invitations went out today Last year the Academy participants and Futures automatically received an invitation into the second trial for state Under 15's and Under 18's teams. Does anyone know if the Academy has the same pathway into Under 15 and 18 trials that it did last year? Can't seem to find any information on the website etc.
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Post by Guest on Aug 15, 2015 20:54:30 GMT 10
No mention of it in this years Academy Information. Currently have U14-U16 , supposedly " top tier " Academy athletes in Emerging Juniors and an invited list will be put together for an U18 training squad at beginning of next year .
Wonder if those in these groups will get automatically thru to 2nd trial . Not that I think they should.
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Post by Simple answer on Aug 17, 2015 15:40:39 GMT 10
Whats the feeling about the HV academy , invitations went out today Last year the Academy participants and Futures automatically received an invitation into the second trial for state Under 15's and Under 18's teams. Does anyone know if the Academy has the same pathway into Under 15 and 18 trials that it did last year? Can't seem to find any information on the website etc. Probably just give HV a ring and ask them. Seems like a pretty simple way to find out.
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Post by Changes on Oct 5, 2015 16:40:39 GMT 10
Pathway has changed , not automatically thru to any trial . All eligible kids must nominate for trial and to be seen to be assessed to then be invited to trial , seeing as tho it is the off season it may be difficult . Need to be in Academy or some other thing eg Zone , JSC , skills days to be seen .
Academy and Draft Camp lists are both out 250 kids in total , that's a lot of kids to be looked at .
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Post by Invite only on Oct 6, 2015 11:49:14 GMT 10
Some questions to ask about invite only trials - Who determines who should be invited? If someone has been seen and assessed as no good by one assessor is that it for the year? Who are the assessors? Did they nominate or were they appointed? Are the assessors assessed on who they selected last year and how the teams performed? What club loyalty or preconceived ideas do they have? If a player declined the academy it seems like a black mark and the preconceived idea is that as not in academy not good enough to be in a state team? And others feel that if they are not in the academy they will be overlooked from future state teams. The skills up days are a great idea as they are open to all. As Hockey Victoria's catch cry of Growing the game should mean increasing participation at all levels HV should be offering more even if the academy was 2 tiered to cater for all those that wanted to do it. Excluding kids now could mean them walking away from the sport and hockey cannot afford to do that. Lets Grow the Game by engaging those that want to play, learn and develop. Let's not exclude them.
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Post by Guest on Oct 6, 2015 17:35:16 GMT 10
It has been invite only trials for u13s for a couple,of years now. Is that good? Not sure.
i do think lots think if they are not in academy they are doomed, but this year there were enough kids in the teams to show that academy is not essential
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Post by U turn on Oct 13, 2015 15:58:31 GMT 10
It's clear from this thread that the overhaul of state selection process is required ( not just juniors). Whether there is real or perceived bias needs to be addressed. The lack of clear policy and guidelines is a failure of the administration. The failure of the hockey community to voice these concerns more loudly is a failure on all our part. The same clubs and names keep appearing again and again, its time to stand up and take some action HV. Why do you say there is a lack of clear policies and guidelines, If you take the time to inquire at HV you will find there is significant documentation on selection criteria, and selection process, as well as many dozens of independent selectors who would be happy to tell you how involved the whole selection process is. The same names continually appear because those individuals continue to perform at the required level. High performance state level hockey is not a system where everyone gets to have a go. If you are one of the best players and keep performing at the required level then your name will continue to show up on the state team lists. The same goes for your comment that the same club names appear. State team selections is an individual process not a club process. If an individual player continually gets named in a state team then by default their club name will continue to appear as well.
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Post by u Turn on Oct 13, 2015 16:11:26 GMT 10
would someone please remind me that when we arrive to a trial and see a selector/coach who is a relative of a trialling player to get in the car and go home....? .....and changing the selector lineup on the second day is not a solution if the selector policy guidelines are meant to be implemented...ie consistency of all selectors for the duration of the trials... The kids aren't stupid.... And with the various other appointments they already know other spots are most likely gone. What a nonsense after the U15 outdoor.... And are we as parents supposed to sit at the trials and say nothing? maybe two wrongs do make a right....?.
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