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Post by Old and new on Jan 28, 2016 21:49:03 GMT 10
Go to a morning training session or a academy games day, there isn't a positive word said by most parents. Most parents are half asleep in the morning before coffee, but after that first cup the conversation can be varied. I have heard a few parents whinging about very small details relating to complexity of the programme for older players with advanced skills, but mostly talk is about coffee! The proof is in attendance and performance. They were all there every session because the risk of not attending could result in a diminished skill set. Hockey is atechnical sport requiring hours and hours of practise to attain excellence. Plateauing followed by improvement eventually is inevitable. So perhaps with experienced players the improvement will not be as marked as in a beginner. If the parents are unhappy, why do they allow the kids to partcipate in Academy? Because the kids love it! They love the coaches - young, enthusiastic and full of the latest technical knowledge recently gained. Further evidence is the oversubscription of Draft Camp and Elite Skill days. Rochelle, Emily and Ben are to be congratulated for the excellent programme they created. I am a hockey parent and I don't work for HV.
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Post by Guest on Jan 29, 2016 8:06:30 GMT 10
The proof will be in the State team results over the next two years.
Increased better results will show that the programs are working.
At the end of the day HV are trying to improve the standard of players and the number of players exposed to higher level coaching.
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Breath of fresh air
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Post by Breath of fresh air on Jan 29, 2016 9:03:28 GMT 10
Firstly isn't it nice to see some positive comments on this forum for a change.
Results at a national level have already improved at all junior levels from U/21 down, not measured by Gold medals alone but by improved ladder positions for most teams.
Sure they can't all be attributed to the new skill development programs but a lot can be attributed to renewed focus and a more professional attitude of HV high performance that filters through to all levels of state teams.
In the end its is all about high performance at the highest level of competition, Not average performance or inclusive performance, or I want to sleep in performance.
Lead by example and eventually those that want it will follow and those who can't handle the pressure move on. Such is the harsh reality of life for a high performance athlete, even those who are only young
HV offer numerous opportunities for community players and social players, even underprivileged players. Lets not use the mindset of those programs when discussing and analising the high performance programs, as they are worlds apart.
As for the costs involved that has been discussed on numerous occasions, In NSW they just charge every single club player a surcharge to cover state teams, I'm sure if that was proposed in Victoria there would be an outcry for the board members heads to roll. So lets see it for what it is, A user pays program for elite players that is paid for by those players with minimal impact on the thousands of club players who never get involved at such a high level.
I'm also not a HV employee but I do understand what High Performance is all about
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Post by Strong Team on Jan 29, 2016 9:45:20 GMT 10
Great to see Rochelle and the HV team back posting on here, we missed them. Actually i am a parent of a child who had an average experience at Academy the first year and then a great experience the next . Get behind these programs , get behind the people trying to make a positive change .
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Post by Rubbish on Jan 29, 2016 9:49:27 GMT 10
Go to a morning training session or a academy games day, there isn't a positive word said by most parents. Not sure which centre you and your child attend , if issues there speak up , Emily and Ben very attentive . Perhaps you need to face the fact that your kid isn't the super star you think they are , and thats ok , change your attitude and let your child enjoy themselves and improvements will happen .
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Post by Guest on Feb 1, 2016 14:17:24 GMT 10
National championships, state team training, trials, JSC, emerging vipers/Vikings, academies, upskilling days, elite skill development days, draft camp, club junior training/games, club seniors training/games, school hockey training/games, indoor............... Great we are offering so much development. Organising and running all these programs no doubt takes a lot of work. I don't want to sound negative because I know people complain when there isn't enough on offer and I'm about to suggest maybe there is too much. I'm sure HV (if they read this forum) must be sick of this and are thinking we are just damned if we do damned and if we don't. It just appears to be a lot of hockey for minors. Kids love it and will do everything they can. I just worry that kids and parents will think they need to enlist in everything for fear of not getting enough exposure to get into teams. My suggestion is to make some or one of the HV development events not officially attended by selectors or AIOs. These days/events would just be for kids wanting to play/improve/learn some skills. It would still mean the same amount of development offered by HV but would reduce perception that you are harming your selection chances by not going to everything. This would also help families financially as it would make it easier to justify to their children that not going to everything won’t mean missing out on teams. This would also mean if the kids are feeling a bit hockeyed out they are aware which events they can miss without it affecting their selection chances. The event/events that fall into this category could then have a greater variety of coaches as they would only have to come to the one event, not commit to the whole process. It has the added benefit of reducing the load on the AIOs who would then have a reduced amount of commitment. End result is all the same programs/events are offered. HV would just be clearly stating to kids and parents which event/events they can miss without fear of it affecting their selection chances. Attendance would no doubt drop, but every kid there would be there because they wanted to be, not because they thought they had to be. I know HV have not said kids need to go to everything; it is a perception of some kids and parents. (and clubs)
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Post by snork on Feb 1, 2016 18:24:32 GMT 10
National championships, state team training, trials, JSC, emerging vipers/Vikings, academies, upskilling days, elite skill development days, draft camp, club junior training/games, club seniors training/games, school hockey training/games, indoor............... Great we are offering so much development. Organising and running all these programs no doubt takes a lot of work. I don't want to sound negative because I know people complain when there isn't enough on offer and I'm about to suggest maybe there is too much. I'm sure HV (if they read this forum) must be sick of this and are thinking we are just damned if we do damned and if we don't. It just appears to be a lot of hockey for minors. Kids love it and will do everything they can. I just worry that kids and parents will think they need to enlist in everything for fear of not getting enough exposure to get into teams. My suggestion is to make some or one of the HV development events not officially attended by selectors or AIOs. These days/events would just be for kids wanting to play/improve/learn some skills. It would still mean the same amount of development offered by HV but would reduce perception that you are harming your selection chances by not going to everything. This would also help families financially as it would make it easier to justify to their children that not going to everything won’t mean missing out on teams. This would also mean if the kids are feeling a bit hockeyed out they are aware which events they can miss without it affecting their selection chances. The event/events that fall into this category could then have a greater variety of coaches as they would only have to come to the one event, not commit to the whole process. It has the added benefit of reducing the load on the AIOs who would then have a reduced amount of commitment. End result is all the same programs/events are offered. HV would just be clearly stating to kids and parents which event/events they can miss without fear of it affecting their selection chances. Attendance would no doubt drop, but every kid there would be there because they wanted to be, not because they thought they had to be. I know HV have not said kids need to go to everything; it is a perception of some kids and parents. (and clubs)
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Post by Guest on Feb 1, 2016 18:31:49 GMT 10
Snork , what is your point ?
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Post by snork on Feb 1, 2016 18:32:43 GMT 10
National championships, state team training, trials, JSC, emerging vipers/Vikings, academies, upskilling days, elite skill development days, draft camp, club junior training/games, club seniors training/games, school hockey training/games, indoor............... Great we are offering so much development. Organising and running all these programs no doubt takes a lot of work. I don't want to sound negative because I know people complain when there isn't enough on offer and I'm about to suggest maybe there is too much. I'm sure HV (if they read this forum) must be sick of this and are thinking we are just damned if we do damned and if we don't. It just appears to be a lot of hockey for minors. Kids love it and will do everything they can. I just worry that kids and parents will think they need to enlist in everything for fear of not getting enough exposure to get into teams. My suggestion is to make some or one of the HV development events not officially attended by selectors or AIOs. These days/events would just be for kids wanting to play/improve/learn some skills. It would still mean the same amount of development offered by HV but would reduce perception that you are harming your selection chances by not going to everything. This would also help families financially as it would make it easier to justify to their children that not going to everything won’t mean missing out on teams. This would also mean if the kids are feeling a bit hockeyed out they are aware which events they can miss without it affecting their selection chances. The event/events that fall into this category could then have a greater variety of coaches as they would only have to come to the one event, not commit to the whole process. It has the added benefit of reducing the load on the AIOs who would then have a reduced amount of commitment. End result is all the same programs/events are offered. HV would just be clearly stating to kids and parents which event/events they can miss without fear of it affecting their selection chances. Attendance would no doubt drop, but every kid there would be there because they wanted to be, not because they thought they had to be. I know HV have not said kids need to go to everything; it is a perception of some kids and parents. (and clubs)
I don't get your point. Kids who attend the elite programs and hockey events do so because the want to be there. They know which days AIOs will be there. AIOs also as far as I am aware will identify talent at club home and away games. The elite program in place now will hopefully get better long term results and the real talent will emerge. There is no easy road to success or arm chair rides in modern era sport. You will be found wanting.
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Post by Guest on Feb 1, 2016 22:25:58 GMT 10
According to the high performance guide, in 2016 AIOs will not be going to club games
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Post by The Joff on Feb 2, 2016 8:20:19 GMT 10
I don't get your point. Kids who attend the elite programs and hockey events do so because the want to be there. They know which days AIOs will be there. AIOs also as far as I am aware will identify talent at club home and away games. The elite program in place now will hopefully get better long term results and the real talent will emerge. There is no easy road to success or arm chair rides in modern era sport. You will be found wanting. The point is perfectly obvious. With all the different 'High Performance' offerings in place by HV, and with the AIO's being in attendance, there is an undertone that these programs are all about being seen and being considered for selection into State Teams etc. Your suggestion that kids who attend these programs all 'want to be there' is fundamentally flawed. A large number (quite likely a majority) are only in attendance because they fear that if they do not attend, then the AIO's will view negatively and thus not select them for elite teams. This is a fundamentally negative culture, which is not beneficial to any young athlete's development. The suggestion being made is that at least some of these programs (in my view the Upskilling Days and Academies) DO NOT have AIO's present, nor are they part of the 'consideration set' for Elite teams. Instead, these days are about kids developing their skills and enjoying their hockey, without the added 'pressure' of performing and impressing selectors. Such a tactic will likely attract a much larger net of kids to attend these days, further building the junior levels of the sport in a more encouraging environment.
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Post by Guest on Feb 2, 2016 9:59:54 GMT 10
Wow, someone read my post and actually got my point. Thanks The Joff, I was beginning to think I was the problem.
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Post by Joffs mate on Feb 2, 2016 12:50:40 GMT 10
Wow, someone read my post and actually got my point. Thanks The Joff, I was beginning to think I was the problem. If you're in the academy then you are always being assessed by the coaches. Games days with AIOs. What's the issue? from a kids point of view academy is exactly that - an elite program to develop, assess and measure skills. If you don't commit then don't expect to be called up for a team. The upskilling days should be free of any assessment in my opinion.
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Post by roff on Feb 2, 2016 13:12:44 GMT 10
Wow, someone read my post and actually got my point. Thanks The Joff, I was beginning to think I was the problem. If you're in the academy then you are always being assessed by the coaches. Games days with AIOs. What's the issue? from a kids point of view academy is exactly that - an elite program to develop, assess and measure skills. If you don't commit then don't expect to be called up for a team. The upskilling days should be free of any assessment in my opinion. AIO's don't attend all the game days.
Parents are sick of having to pay for programs were there is a undertone of if you are not involved you will lesson your chances because you are not feeding the cash cow. Look at the cost to have a chance for making a U18 girls trial list. $490, just to make it to trials.
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Post by Stiffler on Feb 2, 2016 13:36:47 GMT 10
If you're in the academy then you are always being assessed by the coaches. Games days with AIOs. What's the issue? from a kids point of view academy is exactly that - an elite program to develop, assess and measure skills. If you don't commit then don't expect to be called up for a team. The upskilling days should be free of any assessment in my opinion. AIO's don't attend all the game days.
Parents are sick of having to pay for programs were there is a undertone of if you are not involved you will lesson your chances because you are not feeding the cash cow. Look at the cost to have a chance for making a U18 girls trial list. $490, just to make it to trials.
That's 12 weeks of coaching and 4 games days and a feedback report. Do you think this should be free? Or are you for just turn up on a day and hope for the best?
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Post by guest on Feb 2, 2016 17:32:20 GMT 10
Yes, AIOs were not at all game days, in fact some areas AIOs were only at 2 games days over the school holidays.
There were no AIOs at the Academy upskilling seesions, kids attending these were attending them as they were getting great coaching.
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Post by Guest on Feb 2, 2016 21:21:50 GMT 10
Is there actually a list somewhere of who the AIO's actually are , rather than speculation of who they are ?
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Post by Guest on Feb 2, 2016 21:25:04 GMT 10
Is there actually a list somewhere of who the AIO's actually are , rather than speculation of who they are ? They are the guys in koala suits with clipboards.
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Post by U18 Development on Feb 3, 2016 16:37:09 GMT 10
So who registered ? 140 x $200 = $28000
Who else thinks , like the original qty for Academy that the max number of registrations will be exceeded , there needs to be a minimum standard and without sounding elitist jsc / jcc is not quite up to a National competition . Be upfront HV , publicise the number of positions in State Teams that are actually available , don't treat us like fools . Unfair to take peoples money and provide false hope .
To those that will be attending , I hope you get out of it what you are expecting , be demanding , work hard and reap the benefits.
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Post by Leagie on Feb 8, 2016 22:35:14 GMT 10
How do the under 15 state selections announced today look?
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