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Post by coaches on Feb 5, 2017 11:19:39 GMT 10
Does anyone know who the coaches for the 15 and 18 teams are?
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Post by Guest on Feb 5, 2017 17:19:18 GMT 10
Does anyone know who the coaches for the 15 and 18 teams are? Wansborough and Rosie doing 15g and 15b respectively. No idea on white coaches. No coach for 18g, whoever was doing thst has pulled out and HV advertising. HV this is stuff you should be putting up along with who is selecting these teams?
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Post by Guest on Feb 5, 2017 19:22:55 GMT 10
I believe that Maria Romagasa is coaching one of the 15G teams.
Phil Burrows rumoured to coach 18 boys.
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Post by guest on Feb 6, 2017 5:36:33 GMT 10
Makes sense, Rosie as coached those boys for two years, why not keep coaching them.
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Post by Judge Judy on Feb 7, 2017 8:36:04 GMT 10
Good to see that the U15 State Teams have been announced, congratulations to all the kids that have been picked to represent their state at the upcoming National Championships.
Oh wait, what have we here? My mistake, I should have been congratulating the 35 boys who have been "selected" as part of the "squad" for the U15 team... It would appear that HV are living in the United States, whereby the use of "alternative facts" is common place. Back in Australia, a "final player assessment" typically refers to the last selection trial, after which a team is picked.
As it stands, in their infinite wisdom, HV/the selectors have managed to simply cut a list of 40 or so players down to a list of 35. Not only is this complete utter incompetence, it puts unnecessary pressure on the kids who are in the squad, as it is perfectly obvious that the next 3 training sessions are simply glorified selection trials. Either the selectors and coaches are truly unfit for their job, or there is some politics at play behind the scenes.
I really do feel for the 5 kids that failed to make this final squad. What was the point of dropping a handful of players, if the intention was always to take 35 into a "squad"? Having 40 kids for the three weeks is no different whatsoever from a coaching standpoint to having 35. This would result in a large cut of 25 or so players, which is a much easier to swallow pill then simply dropping 5 from 40. This is pure elitism from all involved, and fails to take into account the needs and thoughts of the players involved. No wonder we continue to lose promising junior players to other sports and hockey burnout. Shameful.
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Post by Guest on Feb 7, 2017 9:39:21 GMT 10
Who were the selectors? Has anyone spoken to any of them to find out why it was done this way?
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Post by guest on Feb 7, 2017 9:55:11 GMT 10
From my calculations 10 boys were cut in the last trial (including the listed goal keeper emergency) - not 5. The numbers add up to the two teams plus two train-ons. Much better chance for those boys remaining to show what they can do. I like the fact that some of the boys may be able to impress in the next few training sessions now that the pressure of trialing is off. Perhaps we will see a few surprises in the final teams? Good to see that the U15 State Teams have been announced, congratulations to all the kids that have been picked to represent their state at the upcoming National Championships. Oh wait, what have we here? My mistake, I should have been congratulating the 35 boys who have been "selected" as part of the "squad" for the U15 team... It would appear that HV are living in the United States, whereby the use of "alternative facts" is common place. Back in Australia, a "final player assessment" typically refers to the last selection trial, after which a team is picked. As it stands, in their infinite wisdom, HV/the selectors have managed to simply cut a list of 40 or so players down to a list of 35. Not only is this complete utter incompetence, it puts unnecessary pressure on the kids who are in the squad, as it is perfectly obvious that the next 3 training sessions are simply glorified selection trials. Either the selectors and coaches are truly unfit for their job, or there is some politics at play behind the scenes. I really do feel for the 5 kids that failed to make this final squad. What was the point of dropping a handful of players, if the intention was always to take 35 into a "squad"? Having 40 kids for the three weeks is no different whatsoever from a coaching standpoint to having 35. This would result in a large cut of 25 or so players, which is a much easier to swallow pill then simply dropping 5 from 40. This is pure elitism from all involved, and fails to take into account the needs and thoughts of the players involved. No wonder we continue to lose promising junior players to other sports and hockey burnout. Shameful.
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Post by Grumpy Parent on Feb 7, 2017 10:08:12 GMT 10
Good to see that the U15 State Teams have been announced, congratulations to all the kids that have been picked to represent their state at the upcoming National Championships. Oh wait, what have we here? My mistake, I should have been congratulating the 35 boys who have been "selected" as part of the "squad" for the U15 team... It would appear that HV are living in the United States, whereby the use of "alternative facts" is common place. Back in Australia, a "final player assessment" typically refers to the last selection trial, after which a team is picked. As it stands, in their infinite wisdom, HV/the selectors have managed to simply cut a list of 40 or so players down to a list of 35. Not only is this complete utter incompetence, it puts unnecessary pressure on the kids who are in the squad, as it is perfectly obvious that the next 3 training sessions are simply glorified selection trials. Either the selectors and coaches are truly unfit for their job, or there is some politics at play behind the scenes. I really do feel for the 5 kids that failed to make this final squad. What was the point of dropping a handful of players, if the intention was always to take 35 into a "squad"? Having 40 kids for the three weeks is no different whatsoever from a coaching standpoint to having 35. This would result in a large cut of 25 or so players, which is a much easier to swallow pill then simply dropping 5 from 40. This is pure elitism from all involved, and fails to take into account the needs and thoughts of the players involved. No wonder we continue to lose promising junior players to other sports and hockey burnout. Shameful. Here we go the old my child was cut and now I'm angry rant.. 16 + 16 = 32 + 1-3 train ons - pretty standard if you ask me. You wouldn't believe it but not every child is good enough to play for their state.
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Post by GUEST on Feb 7, 2017 10:20:19 GMT 10
The u15s were the same last year. The trials did not give the teams, but the squad. Only after the first three or four training did they announce the teams and determine who were train on.
Doesn't it mean the pressure of trialling just continues another three sessions?
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Post by Pressure ? on Feb 7, 2017 10:46:56 GMT 10
The u15s were the same last year. The trials did not give the teams, but the squad. Only after the first three or four training did they announce the teams and determine who were train on. Doesn't it mean the pressure of trialling just continues another three sessions? If you cant handle " pressure of a trial be it 2 or 5 sessions can you handle " pressure of a tournament ?
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Post by Probably unnecessary on Feb 9, 2017 8:19:40 GMT 10
I'm not one of these boys parents, but I do question if it was reallly necessary. It's easy to say they the boys should be able to handle the extra pressure (and I'm sure most can), but that doesn't mean they should have too.
The coaches will want them learning the game plan now, but perhaps for some of the kids a distraction will be... am I in? What do I need to do to impress and make the cut (for the blue team or at all).
Trials are for selecting the teams and the training sessions are to prepare the kids for the tournament. I think the shift in mindset is important for both the coaches and the players.
On the other side of the fence, the u15 girls setup looks quite sensible. Blue team fully selected and able to get on with preparations. White team with 2 train ons to work out which would have been better to sort out at the trials but not the end of the world by any stretch.
HV just need to ensure the process is sound and the selectors/coaches act accordingly. It shouldn't be open to them to come up with something different than HV's expectations (i.e. If HV want teams picked then squads aren't an acceptable result from trial).
And even better for transparency if HV communicate with parents and players to set those expectations upfront and to keep everyone on the same page as the process unfolds.
These are still kids and there is no doubt a lot of emotion attached to these events (this is not homework, this is the sport they love and they are being compared to their peers and ranked).
It may be easy for some people on these forums to say some kids aren't good enough (and there parents may know that too), but we want all kids continuing in this sport, especially those eager and pushing for these teams, so any positive or negative feedback about the process needs to be at least considered by HV and how they can improve what they do.
HV don't have the best record of that but personally I think their moving in the right direction which is a great sign for the future. I appreciate some people are concerned about sharing feedback directly with HV, so this forum can help HV at least hear it, good, bad or indifferent.
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Post by Judge Judy on Feb 9, 2017 8:47:30 GMT 10
Beautifully put. This is what is often missed by the "my kid is better than yours" naysayers on this forum. I'm not one of these boys parents, but I do question if it was reallly necessary. It's easy to say they the boys should be able to handle the extra pressure (and I'm sure most can), but that doesn't mean they should have too. The coaches will want them learning the game plan now, but perhaps for some of the kids a distraction will be... am I in? What do I need to do to impress and make the cut (for the blue team or at all). Trials are for selecting the teams and the training sessions are to prepare the kids for the tournament. I think the shift in mindset is important for both the coaches and the players. On the other side of the fence, the u15 girls setup looks quite sensible. Blue team fully selected and able to get on with preparations. White team with 2 train ons to work out which would have been better to sort out at the trials but not the end of the world by any stretch. HV just need to ensure the process is sound and the selectors/coaches act accordingly. It shouldn't be open to them to come up with something different than HV's expectations (i.e. If HV want teams picked then squads aren't an acceptable result from trial). And even better for transparency if HV communicate with parents and players to set those expectations upfront and to keep everyone on the same page as the process unfolds. These are still kids and there is no doubt a lot of emotion attached to these events (this is not homework, this is the sport they love and they are being compared to their peers and ranked). It may be easy for some people on these forums to say some kids aren't good enough (and there parents may know that too), but we want all kids continuing in this sport, especially those eager and pushing for these teams, so any positive or negative feedback about the process needs to be at least considered by HV and how they can improve what they do. HV don't have the best record of that but personally I think their moving in the right direction which is a great sign for the future. I appreciate some people are concerned about sharing feedback directly with HV, so this forum can help HV at least hear it, good, bad or indifferent.
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Post by Smitty on Feb 9, 2017 10:45:58 GMT 10
'HV don't have the best record of that but personally I think their moving in the right direction which is a great sign for the future. I appreciate some people are concerned about sharing feedback directly with HV, so this forum can help HV at least hear it, good, bad or indifferent.'
Well said, however, I'm not sure how much notice (if any) HV would take of this forum... sadly it has turned into more of a platform for people to slander individual players, coaches and clubs from behind a keyboard...
I would think that if communication were to be made in an appropriate method with HV regarding some reasonable feedback and suggestions about the various trial and selection processes, that Lachie Anderson and the high performance staff at HV will take the time to consider the feedback and then act accordingly. Noting that acting accordingly doesn't necessarily mean making changes.
Just my thoughts from being on the fringe of all of this...
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Post by Funny on Feb 9, 2017 16:17:46 GMT 10
'HV don't have the best record of that but personally I think their moving in the right direction which is a great sign for the future. I appreciate some people are concerned about sharing feedback directly with HV, so this forum can help HV at least hear it, good, bad or indifferent.' Well said, however, I'm not sure how much notice (if any) HV would take of this forum... sadly it has turned into more of a platform for people to slander individual players, coaches and clubs from behind a keyboard... I would think that if communication were to be made in an appropriate method with HV regarding some reasonable feedback and suggestions about the various trial and selection processes, that Lachie Anderson and the high performance staff at HV will take the time to consider the feedback and then act accordingly. Noting that acting accordingly doesn't necessarily mean making changes. Just my thoughts from being on the fringe of all of this... No one wants to be on the HV blacklist, although talk of it seems to have decreased with the departure of the previous HP Manager. Parents and players seem a lot more happy and content under the new employees.
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Post by Guest on Feb 13, 2017 16:15:36 GMT 10
U15 boys up. What a joke. A kid who has just come out plaster who didn't event trial, huh???
Wasted trials and so the bs goes on and on.
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Post by What on Feb 13, 2017 17:04:25 GMT 10
Wasted trial? Just because your child did not make it does not make it a flawed system. Rosie has won 3 National Championships in a row with these kids and I believe seeing that list they will come close to winning again. Don't hate on the system just because you son isn't good enough, if they complain like you do I am glad they don't get to play.
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Post by Guest on Feb 13, 2017 17:29:49 GMT 10
Wasted trial? Just because your child did not make it does not make it a flawed system. Rosie has won 3 National Championships in a row with these kids and I believe seeing that list they will come close to winning again. Don't hate on the system just because you son isn't good enough, if they complain like you do I am glad they don't get to play. Your a nasty man. Glad not to be a part of it. Hope that injury is all clear.
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Post by An actual man on Feb 14, 2017 8:35:18 GMT 10
"You're" How do you know the comment was from a man?
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Post by The Joff on Feb 14, 2017 12:44:33 GMT 10
Please justify how someone who didn't actually trial was still made part of the squad? Also, it is not healthy to have the same coach year in and year out. One of the main benefits of state team trialling and play is for the kids to be exposed to other ideas and thinking, that they might not get at their own club. At most a coach should have the opportunity to take a full group through two years (bottom-top age). Any more than this leaves the possibility of favouritism and bias. Wasted trial? Just because your child did not make it does not make it a flawed system. Rosie has won 3 National Championships in a row with these kids and I believe seeing that list they will come close to winning again. Don't hate on the system just because you son isn't good enough, if they complain like you do I am glad they don't get to play.
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Post by Seriously on Feb 14, 2017 13:50:52 GMT 10
Please justify how someone who didn't actually trial was still made part of the squad? Also, it is not healthy to have the same coach year in and year out. One of the main benefits of state team trialling and play is for the kids to be exposed to other ideas and thinking, that they might not get at their own club. At most a coach should have the opportunity to take a full group through two years (bottom-top age). Any more than this leaves the possibility of favouritism and bias. Wasted trial? Just because your child did not make it does not make it a flawed system. Rosie has won 3 National Championships in a row with these kids and I believe seeing that list they will come close to winning again. Don't hate on the system just because you son isn't good enough, if they complain like you do I am glad they don't get to play. Injured players have been included in squads for years, player proves their fitness before the tournament they go. If they don't the train-on does, doesn't effect selection. If the player is a stand out exceptions will always be made. Sure lets also dump coaches who are clearly achieving results of the highest level far out...
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