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Post by elitesport on Feb 23, 2016 15:12:02 GMT 10
Yes, that is so one of the 3 who hasnt played for 1-2 years and still not on the pitch is given till the last minute to prove his fitness......is that right? Would not be happy if you were other 2 and there families It's not under 12's. This happens at elite level in many other sports (not to mention in the workplace), the players will just have to learn to live with it. That's life!
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Post by Guest on Feb 23, 2016 22:40:03 GMT 10
Yes, that is so one of the 3 who hasnt played for 1-2 years and still not on the pitch is given till the last minute to prove his fitness......is that right? Would not be happy if you were other 2 and there families It's not under 12's. This happens at elite level in many other sports (not to mention in the workplace), the players will just have to learn to live with it. That's life! fair enough if injured recently , but not when hasnt played at all for over 12 months
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Post by Guest on Feb 24, 2016 4:20:43 GMT 10
Its been 2 years since he has trained or played, 2 major hamstring ops and he still rehabing, not training apparently yet. Cant see how he can even be considered? What about the 2 who have proved themselves and parents and families wanting to attend? Come on HV GET SERIOUS
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Post by Guestington on Feb 24, 2016 7:59:31 GMT 10
Its been 2 years since he has trained or played, 2 major hamstring ops and he still rehabing, not training apparently yet. Cant see how he can even be considered? What about the 2 who have proved themselves and parents and families wanting to attend? Come on HV GET SERIOUS Surely, you just want your state team to have the best possible team. If I was needing to pick one of the three for my club, provided he was injury cleared, I'd take the injured one in this instance every time. If he's not ready to go, it's a different story.
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Post by Guest on Feb 24, 2016 8:56:35 GMT 10
It is tough on the parents who might need to book flights and accommodation and organise leave from work. However making it easier on spectators to watch a nationals usually isn't a consideration for selectors and coaches when selecting a team to win a national championship. Without knowing, if the other two keepers were going really well I doubt this situation would have presented itself.
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Post by Guest on Feb 24, 2016 9:03:11 GMT 10
The team should be picked on recent form, not based on family connections or previous playing history.
If we are to believe the current selection policy from the "AIO's" is true, then how on earth would he even be considered for selection? When would the AIO's have 'identified' him, except based on reputation or previous history?
This is really poor by HV all around.
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Post by Guest on Feb 24, 2016 15:56:10 GMT 10
firstly there are no AIOs past u18. My understanding was he was Nationally identified at U18 level and has hardly played since. The other 2 gks done everything right, represented state over last 2 years. At what point does what you did 2 years ago be viewed as not current. Other agendas at play here surely. It is 6 weeks out, he cant train, how can he be in anywhere near the form of other 2 keepers if he was able to start tomorrow, someone is kidding themselves. Who is running this process?
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Post by Possible Reason on Feb 24, 2016 16:27:52 GMT 10
Well it depends on when (if he isn't already) he is able to start training again and how long before the tournament. I would say if they are waiting to see his fitness level before the tournament starts, the other two keepers haven't proven themselves because why would you wait on someone when even on the top of his game, he still isn't one of the top two keepers?
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Post by Observer on Feb 24, 2016 17:05:48 GMT 10
National Championships exist for a variety reasons. They do provide opportunities for athletes to display their skills but they also serve a number of other purposes such as the opportunity to give developing athletes the chance to gain experience under pressure.
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Post by Guest on Feb 24, 2016 17:19:40 GMT 10
Some of you don't mind embellishing the truth here. Ben's initial tear of the hamstring was bang on 12 months ago. Just prior to that he attended the National Futures Camp on the Gold Coast. He's currently a member of the JWC squad, nationally identified and a VIS scholarship holder. Injured or not I'd say that's good enough reason to be included in the Colt's training group. The sticklers for administrative process here need a dose of perspective - You select the best available and he's clearly #1 if fit.
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Post by Guest on Feb 25, 2016 8:51:18 GMT 10
So thats great, you seem to know a lot. Is it true the gk in question hasnt played for 2 seaons, he has had 2 operations for 2 major tears on hamstrings so would think you wouldnt rush him back if true and 6 weeks out from tournament is doing no onfield training with the team.......I dont know this is fact....just keep hearing same story. When was the last time he actually played for club or Vic? What are kpis he has to meet to put out the other 2 exceleent, fit and in form GKs?.....selection is supposed to be a process? What is the process here? It would be great if all this stuff was transparent. Great some facts have been put forward in previous post.
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Post by Guest on Feb 25, 2016 8:51:46 GMT 10
So thats great, you seem to know a lot. Is it true the gk in question hasnt played for 2 seaons, he has had 2 operations for 2 major tears on hamstrings so would think you wouldnt rush him back if true and 6 weeks out from tournament is doing no onfield training with the team.......I dont know this is fact....just keep hearing same story. When was the last time he actually played for club or Vic? What are kpis he has to meet to put out the other 2 exceleent, fit and in form GKs?.....selection is supposed to be a process? What is the process here? It would be great if all this stuff was transparent. Great some facts have been put forward in previous post.
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Post by Guest on Feb 25, 2016 9:17:07 GMT 10
Dont most families fork out the $3k for their own kids to get a game and to hopefully win championships.All this talk of developing specific or identified players Is arogent. My understanding HV have cut there contribution to 10% from 20% to these teams so 18 sets of families putting in $50k plus so these teams can go away. Think we are all forgeting it is a team sport at National level not let us all play and pay to highlight individual players. Dont think a ViS, identified, maybe JWC GK would do to well without 10 field players in front of him and a bunch sitting on the bench all paying their way. Agree need a transerent process for other 2 fit, credentialed gks ready to play.
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Post by Guest on Feb 25, 2016 12:40:24 GMT 10
Is it true the gk in question hasnt played for 2 seaons, he has had 2 operations for 2 major tears on hamstrings so would think you wouldnt rush him back if true and 6 weeks out from tournament is doing no onfield training with the team....... I'm not to sure how good your maths is? An injury 12 months ago has him missing 1 season, not 2. I'd be guessing here but he's roughly 4-5 months post-op now. I'm not sure how far away he is from playing. It can't be too far. He attended a JWC camp (did not participate) in Canberra earlier this year I believe. I guess it's bit like rushing Jamie Dwyer back from a knee reconstruction for the 2004 Athens Olympics. That ended well, didn't it? Where's Maud Flanders when you need her, "Won't someone think of the children process..."
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Post by Guest on Feb 25, 2016 12:42:16 GMT 10
Dont most families fork out the $3k for their own kids to get a game and to hopefully win championships.All this talk of developing specific or identified players Is arogent. My understanding HV have cut there contribution to 10% from 20% to these teams so 18 sets of families putting in $50k plus so these teams can go away. Think we are all forgeting it is a team sport at National level not let us all play and pay to highlight individual players. Dont think a ViS, identified, maybe JWC GK would do to well without 10 field players in front of him and a bunch sitting on the bench all paying their way. Agree need a transerent process for other 2 fit, credentialed gks ready to play. My brain hurts and after trying to decipher that ^^^ for the 8th time I'm still not sure what your point is? Think before you type, Bra!
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Post by what the on Feb 25, 2016 19:57:14 GMT 10
Dont most families fork out the $3k for their own kids to get a game and to hopefully win championships.All this talk of developing specific or identified players Is arogent. My understanding HV have cut there contribution to 10% from 20% to these teams so 18 sets of families putting in $50k plus so these teams can go away. Think we are all forgeting it is a team sport at National level not let us all play and pay to highlight individual players. Dont think a ViS, identified, maybe JWC GK would do to well without 10 field players in front of him and a bunch sitting on the bench all paying their way. Agree need a transerent process for other 2 fit, credentialed gks ready to play. My brain hurts and after trying to decipher that ^^^ for the 8th time I'm still not sure what your point is? Think before you type, Bra! Are you saying that this GK in question doesnt have to pay ? Who pays
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Post by Logic on Feb 26, 2016 18:21:13 GMT 10
I'm pretty sure players with VIS scholarships would still have to pay the fees to go away to nationals or at least some of it, so I'm not sure what you're going on about unless you are saying he would go away to the tournament for free? Secondly as we are talking about the U21 team I'm pretty sure if that the players are working and possibly out of school/uni they would be paying for so much of their fees and if they are why are you complaining about the parents forking out the money? Obliviously some of the parents would be paying for the whole fees and some would be paying some of the fee, and also If I remember correctly you don't have to pay as much compared to U18 and under teams.
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Post by Guest on Feb 26, 2016 19:36:24 GMT 10
No, vis pays for scholarship holders
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Post by Who says? on Feb 26, 2016 20:06:34 GMT 10
VIS does not pay U21 players fees
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Post by jandals on Mar 20, 2016 4:31:45 GMT 10
My brain hurts and after trying to decipher that ^^^ for the 8th time I'm still not sure what your point is? Think before you type, Bra! Are you saying that this GK in question doesnt have to pay ? Who pays Agreed!!!!
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